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my hole card's were jack king, bet $2 one guy called for $2,
flop jack ,nine ,two bet $8 called $8
fourth street six raised $16 called $16
river was eight bet $16 i raised $32, he bet put me all in,
showdown i have three jacks - king kicker
he has three jacks-ace kicker. I want to puke bospoker, same lay out as doyles' room same bad beats over and over. Iplay at poker stars worst beats in the world can't get a break i have put so much money into these places never made money yet, had do you win a these joints
 

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...had do you win a these joints
There are two answers to your question. One which is kind, supportive, and correct; and another which is ruthless, instructive, and correct. If everyone who reads this forum replied...I think you'd get an equal number of both. I have time this morning while I drink my coffee to provide both. Anything I miss will be added by others.

The kind one: You just got unlucky; those kinds of breaks even out over time and you just need to play more hands to let poker's variance even out for you. Chin up! The bad beats are explained by the fact that there are plenty of players who are playing bad cards. They sometimes get lucky. You want them in your game...think about it.

The ruthless one is more complicated:

You really didn't provide enough information when you described the hand. I'd also like to know what stakes you were playing, whether you had any reads on the villain, whether your KJ was suited, your position relative to the villain, and the suits of the board cards. Here are my guesses: The KJ is unsuited, the board was rainbow, the stakes were .25/.50 NL with a $100 buy-in, you had no reads, and he had position over you. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Okay. I only count two jacks. I'm going to assume that you made a mistake on the flop and that it was actually JJ9 rather than J92.

There are a few problems that I see with the way you played your hand. First, KJ isn't a strong hand. Even Doyle Brunson, who is about the most aggressive player in the world, identifies this as a trouble hand and advises extreme caution. A tight player would've tossed them immediately unless he had great position. Your $2 preflop bet wasn't really high enough to steal the blinds in a loose internet game. The flop should have been the danger signal. You made a 2X pot bet and got called. What could the villain have? It's hard to know without a read on what kind of cards he usually plays, so against an unknown I put him on an over pair, another jack (maybe the nightmare J9?), a pair of 9s, or an OESD. After that you pretty much committed your stack. I could argue that you shouldn't have tried to check-raise someone on the river who had proven that he was going to show down his hand...or that you shouldn't have called the all-in reraise ater your CR with so many ways to be behind.

After the flop you had "buck fever." All you could see was your trips. Not your second kicker, not the straight or full house possibilities. We've all done that.

You played a marginal hand (Brunson is right...these kinds of hands can either win you a small pot or lose you a monster pot). You didn't stop to think what your opponent might be playing, even with the evidence mounting that he had at least as good a hand as you. This wasn't a bad beat because you were behind all the way. Drop down in levels and work on your game; think of the money you've lost as part of the tuition that you'll pay at "poker school." Hit the books.

I am not trying to be mean-spirited in any of this. I have made all of the mistakes you have. Don't quit. And don't blame the dealer.
 

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quick has it right. KJ is a weakish hand for the same reason you lost. even if you hit three of a kind (presuming you did) you may be out kicked. If this is the worst beat you take, you are truly blessed.
 

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HERE is the hand and how it was played out

T<TABLE style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" width=500><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD width="40%"></TD><TD width="20%">Hand ID</TD><TD width="20%">Game</TD><TD width="20%">Stakes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD width="40%">Checkers</TD><TD width="20%">4915009-71416</TD><TD width="20%">Holdem No Limit</TD><TD width="20%">$1/$2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Hand Start.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 1 : flyers1626 has $245.75</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 2 : supappa has $57.05</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 3 : steve1031 has $82.05</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 4 : santa06 has $332.37</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 5 : mars9 has $212.50</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : Seat 6 : curlycue has $269</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : flyers1626 is the dealer.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:28] : supappa posted small blind.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:28] : steve1031 posted big blind.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:28] : Game [71416] started with 6 players.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:28] : Dealing Hole Cards.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:28] : Seat 3 : steve1031 has Js Kc</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:31] : santa06 called $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:32] : mars9 folded.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:38] : curlycue folded.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:41] : flyers1626 called $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:43] : supappa called $1</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:16] : steve1031 checked.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:16] : Dealing flop.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:16] : Board cards [Jc Jh 2s]</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:21] : supappa checked.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:22] : steve1031 bet $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:25] : santa06 called $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:26] : flyers1626 called $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:30] : supappa folded.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:30] : Dealing turn.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:30] : Board cards [Jc Jh 2s 3d]</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:33] : steve1031 bet $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:36] : santa06 called $2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:40] : flyers1626 folded.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:41] : Dealing river.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:41] : Board cards [Jc Jh 2s 3d 9c]</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:45:44] : steve1031 bet $16</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:20] : santa06 called $16 and raised $32</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:27] : steve1031 called $32 and raised $28.05 and is All-in</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:27] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:29] : santa06 called $28.05</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:31] : Showdown!</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:31] : Seat 3 : steve1031 has Js Kc</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:32] : Seat 3 : steve1031 has Js Kc</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:32] : steve1031 has 3 of a Kind: Jacks</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:32] : Seat 4 : santa06 has Jd Ad</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:32] : santa06 has 3 of a Kind: Jacks</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:32] : santa06 wins $167.10 with 3 of a Kind: Jacks (Ace kicker)</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4>[Jan 30 04:46:42] : Hand is over.</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4>

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<TABLE style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" width=500><TBODY><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 30px" bgColor=#cccccc><TD colSpan=4><CENTER>Real Money Ring</CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>t:smoker2: thanks for the comments how would you have played it out
 

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your right quick now that i look at it i should not have went all in i will only do that if i am sure i can't be beat
 

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focus said:
...how would you have played it out
It's funny, but some of my worst beatings have happened when I was in the big blind, as you were here. The flop was free for you, so you had no chance to dump the hand. Then, to catch top trips on a rainbow board with no straight possibilities...well I'd just have to see a showdown. The natural reaction is to assume that the pot is ALL MINE! In other words, no matter how much I preach, I would probably have lost my stack on this hand just like you did.

Before, I figured the flop to be JJ9, not JJ2. I would have been more concerned with the JJ9. The JJ2 would have been a green light flop for me. One thing I would have done differently is the size of the bet on the flop. Out of position, I definitely would have bet more; at least 2/3 of the pot and probably more, because in this situation I need information. A $2 bet won't give me enough because nobody who is behind you (in terms of hand strength) will give you credit for a jack, so they'll call with just about anything, and nobody who is ahead of you is forced to reveal his strength. Anybody who calls your $8 or $10 bet on the flop would have woke you up to the danger.

I constantly have to remind myself that things like this can happen when you end up in a pot without having to put any money in. As a rule I try to play small pots when I'm out of position. In your situationI probably would have lost my mind and lost my stack. At the very least I would have called any reasonable bet on the river.

It's really ugly when the guy you are slow-playing is slow-playing you.
 

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nothing u can do except save the 28.05 reraise on the river IMO
 

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Tough beat man...just think of all the times you have had the same hand and out kicked someone.
 

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